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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:45:00 -
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When I say buff, I mean ANYTHING to improve the suit, or justify the cost of it compared to the B- Series.
B- Series = 40,560 ISK ( 2 high slots, 2 low slots, 0 equipment, CPU 216 )
Proto = 246,800 ISK ( 3 high slots, 2 low slots, 0 equipment, CPU 270 )
Difference = 206,240
What Proto suits gets for the 206k: 54 more CPU, 11 more PG, 1 high slot.
People say stuff like "Oh the Heavy is a walking tank so that justifies the cost"... funny thing about this statement is that the Type 2 has the same HP as Proto and that costs 13,320 ISK.
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Let's compare the Assault B- Series and Proto, and see what they get for their money.
B- series = 20,680 ISK ( 3 high slots, 2 low slots, 1 equipment, CPU 231)
Proto = 91,200 ISK ( 4 high slots, 3 low slots, 2 equipment, CPU 330)
Difference = 70,520 ISK
What Proto suits get for that 70k ISK: 99 more CPU, 20 more PG, 1 high slot, 1 low slot, 1 equipment slot.
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As you can see, the Proto heavy costs more than twice the amount of the Assault proto, and gets almost nothing extra compared to the B- Series...in fact, the heavy Proto resembles more the Assault Beries, minus the equipment slot, and that cost 20k ISK.
Even the blindest of Assault fanboys can't argue that the price is WAY too high for what heavies actually get in their Proto suit. CCP either needs to buff the suit ( more CPU, more slots, something!) or lower the price drastically.
It's not a matter of "Oh you're suppose to have 40+ million ISK by now, so you can afford it". It's a matter of not feeling ripped off to use a suit that every other class uses because it actually gives them an advantage! You think 1 high slot does anything? Please!
I'm curious to see the arguments from people against a Heavy buff now. How can
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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:18:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Other suits are worse off like the scout and should get a buff first. At least your type2 suits work, proto scout can't fit anything good without a CPU chip.
First? Why first? Not like there's a queue of what suit needs to be fixed first or last. My argument is about the suit I use, or rather the suit I want to use.
Its problem is CPU... a simple solution is a CPU upgrade, and with 3 low slots...I don't see a big problem tbh.
What's the solution for a Proto Heavy suit costing 2.5 times as much as the Proto scout?
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:16:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
So you're actually saying the cost is fine on Heavy Proto suits? LOOOOL
Good one 
But feel free to make a thread about scout suits and tanks. I made this thread to show that heavies get nothing for their money compared to Assault suits. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:25:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
So you're actually saying the cost is fine on Heavy Proto suits? LOOOOL Good one But feel free to make a thread about scout suits and tanks. I made this thread to show that heavies get nothing for their money compared to Assault suits. It's funny when you compare heavy and assault suits That's like me comparing my armor tank to shield tank. I'm simply saying there are bigger problems and solving your proto heavy suit adds little to now value on the game.
Well free to make threads about those problems. Unless you're planning on going to every thread on the forum to say "there are bigger problems than yours."
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:45:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Ok here is for the people who don't know a thing about scout suits, a proto scout suit is equal to a type 2 assault with smaller hp and get a smaller hit box.
That's being said scouts are the most underpowered suit in this game and just cause you see someone is a proto scout suit do fine against people in pubs means nothing so get a new excuse.
Scouts are suppose to have mobility right, yet the assault suit can run just as fast. Don't get things twisted tho the assault suit is fine it's the scout suit and the heavy suit that need to be adjusted.
Now to the heavies suits costing more, I don't see a problem. Why? Because a heavy needs a logi and try as you might can NOT be efficient slayer(this is compared to an assault).
Scrub answer is if you are losing isk don't use expensive fits, at least that's what scrubs say when I lost a tank worth 1million isk to 1,900 isk standard av nade. So should my tank cost less?
Now lets also talk about the difference between a madrugar and a surya. The passive 4% blaster and a high slot that comes with 30 (can't remember the exact number) more CPU. The extra CPU is a joke. Same goes for shield tanks.
With all of this in mind a lot of the base suits and hulls need to be adjusted.
So you're actually saying the cost is fine on Heavy Proto suits? LOOOOL Good one But feel free to make a thread about scout suits and tanks. I made this thread to show that heavies get nothing for their money compared to Assault suits. It's funny when you compare heavy and assault suits That's like me comparing my armor tank to shield tank. I'm simply saying there are bigger problems and solving your proto heavy suit adds little to now value on the game. Well free to make threads about those problems. Unless you're planning on going to every thread on the forum to say "there are bigger problems than yours." This is a common problem with people, they don't understand. This is a general discussion on how complaining about prices is stupid. You can't counter my argument so you say make your own thread. I'm saying make a better argument, it's pretty weak, if you really want it to be fixed
Counter your argument??? What argument? You went on about scout suits and tanks, and talking about how other stuff needs fixing first. What justifies the cost of the Proto Heavy suit? Till you answer that, you have no argument.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:55:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:wait buf all 4 of them? or just the ammar one? wouldn't waiting for all 4 heavies to be released next month for balance changes make more sense?
All four heavies... did CCP say this or are people assuming stuff again? I don't expect to see this anytime "SoonGäó" if CCP didn't mention it.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 21:56:00 -
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Yay Adski wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:we definatley require a bugg to even the playing field, we're slower than everyone else, and honestly all the "tank" people say we have mean nothing when an assault can use a duvolle with dmg mods and kill you as soon as they see you near enough.
We either need more mods to even the field or more HP ect like they used to, or simply to take less damage than theo ther suits lolwut? You HMG is OP nuff salad hold the mayo
Smh + a facedesk
Please, let's not make this another HMG IS OP!!!!! thread. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:15:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:How can put this in caveman...
Assault isn't a heavy
Heavy isn't an assault
You can't compare the two
Why does my proto tank cost so much? So people don't spam them in pubs. What is so hard to understand about that? Do I need to add pictures?
So your arguments for tanks is so people don't spam them in pubs? So you think Proto heavies = proto tank? SMFH...honestly, you try to act all smart but you're an idiot, sorry.
People actually think heavies are tanks? Don't know what rock you been living under, but I'm pretty sure Proto Assault >>>> Proto Heavies anyday.
A proto heavy most times than not, get killed by a proto assault in a 1v1. You know this, and I know this, and every heavy out there know this.
So it's ok to spam proto assault suits, but to spam an inferior suit is taboo? Your logic is fail.
No **** Heavy =/= Assault, hence I compared the 2. If they were the same I won't compare...derp. But you fail to see what I was comparing I guess. I was comparing what you get for your money.
Go back and read, then comeback with your stale insults again. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:11:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:How can put this in caveman...
Assault isn't a heavy
Heavy isn't an assault
You can't compare the two
Why does my proto tank cost so much? So people don't spam them in pubs. What is so hard to understand about that? Do I need to add pictures?
So your arguments for tanks is so people don't spam them in pubs? So you think Proto heavies = proto tank? SMFH...honestly, you try to act all smart but you're an idiot, sorry. People actually think heavies are tanks? Don't know what rock you been living under, but I'm pretty sure Proto Assault >>>> Proto Heavies anyday. A proto heavy most times than not, get killed by a proto assault in a 1v1. You know this, and I know this, and every heavy out there know this. So it's ok to spam proto assault suits, but to spam an inferior suit is taboo? Your logic is fail. No **** Heavy =/= Assault, hence I compared the 2. If they were the same I won't compare...derp. But you fail to see what I was comparing I guess. I was comparing what you get for your money. Go back and read, then comeback with your stale insults again. Knew I should of added pictures cause this guy doesn't understand again -.- When did I say a scrub heavy was as good as a scrub tank? Never! You assume to much, well that's what idiots do. Proto assault is better than proto heavy cause of movability which is important for every FPS, but you must be bad at them so go watch regnums vids. You can spam whatever you want but don't complain that you can afford it. Do you want some dust welfare? Can I compare my tank to a lav or a dropship? Makes no sense like your dumb comparison with heavies and assault. Next time on "I'm an idiot and watch me compare things that don't make sense" we will compare heavies and scouts!
looooool... but you just said "Why does my proto tank cost so much? So people don't spam them in pubs. What is so hard to understand about that? Do I need to add pictures?"... So tell me, what exactly does that mean? Was that some random gibberish you felt the need to share, or was an attempt to compare the 2?
What I got from that is: Tanks are expensive, so people don't spam them, just like the heavy suits. They are expensive so people don't spam them.
You have YET to give me a valid reason or a justifiable reason for the suit costing as much as it does.
Your "argument" is fail yet again. Makes no sense in talking to dumb people cuz they don't really understand what's being said.
Go back to your picture books, apparently that's how your learn stuff in Special School.
How is my comparison between cost from Assault and Heavy dumb? I compared CPU, slots, and cost. I compared the 2 and ask why the cost is so much more for the heavy when the assault player gets more for his money.
Please, explain to me, how is that dumb.
So far the only dumb thing I see in this thread is you bringing up tanks and scout suits and saying there's more important things to fix first. Like you're a dev...lol.
As I said earlier, take your tank, and scout suit "arguments" elsewhere. Try and explain to me a reason why the Proto Heavy cost is fine without bringing up Tanks...I know it's hard, but I have faith that you might actually figure out something to say... or maybe I'm expecting too much.
If your reason is cost to keep people from spamming them, then wow... face ---> through desk with that one. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:26:00 -
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So if the topic in discussion is "Tanks need a price reduction" and I start talking about dropsuits... that would make me look like a complete tool huh... |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.09 00:01:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:How can put this in caveman...
Assault isn't a heavy
Heavy isn't an assault
You can't compare the two
Why does my proto tank cost so much? So people don't spam them in pubs. What is so hard to understand about that? Do I need to add pictures?
So your arguments for tanks is so people don't spam them in pubs? So you think Proto heavies = proto tank? SMFH...honestly, you try to act all smart but you're an idiot, sorry. People actually think heavies are tanks? Don't know what rock you been living under, but I'm pretty sure Proto Assault >>>> Proto Heavies anyday. A proto heavy most times than not, get killed by a proto assault in a 1v1. You know this, and I know this, and every heavy out there know this. So it's ok to spam proto assault suits, but to spam an inferior suit is taboo? Your logic is fail. No **** Heavy =/= Assault, hence I compared the 2. If they were the same I won't compare...derp. But you fail to see what I was comparing I guess. I was comparing what you get for your money. Go back and read, then comeback with your stale insults again. Knew I should of added pictures cause this guy doesn't understand again -.- When did I say a scrub heavy was as good as a scrub tank? Never! You assume to much, well that's what idiots do. Proto assault is better than proto heavy cause of movability which is important for every FPS, but you must be bad at them so go watch regnums vids. You can spam whatever you want but don't complain that you can afford it. Do you want some dust welfare? Can I compare my tank to a lav or a dropship? Makes no sense like your dumb comparison with heavies and assault. Next time on "I'm an idiot and watch me compare things that don't make sense" we will compare heavies and scouts! looooool... but you just said "Why does my proto tank cost so much? So people don't spam them in pubs. What is so hard to understand about that? Do I need to add pictures?"... So tell me, what exactly does that mean? Was that some random gibberish you felt the need to share, or was an attempt to compare the 2? What I got from that is: Tanks are expensive, so people don't spam them, just like the heavy suits. They are expensive so people don't spam them. You have YET to give me a valid reason or a justifiable reason for the suit costing as much as it does. Your "argument" is fail yet again. Makes no sense in talking to dumb people cuz they don't really understand what's being said. Go back to your picture books, apparently that's how your learn stuff in Special School. How is my comparison between cost from Assault and Heavy dumb? I compared CPU, slots, and cost. I compared the 2 and ask why the cost is so much more for the heavy when the assault player gets more for his money. Please, explain to me, how is that dumb. So far the only dumb thing I see in this thread is you bringing up tanks and scout suits and saying there's more important things to fix first. Like you're a dev...lol. As I said earlier, take your tank, and scout suit "arguments" elsewhere. Try and explain to me a reason why the Proto Heavy cost is fine without bringing up Tanks...I know it's hard, but I have faith that you might actually figure out something to say... or maybe I'm expecting too much. If your reason is cost to keep people from spamming them, then wow... face ---> through desk with that one. Whoever in your corp is the special needs teacher needs to translate so you can better understand. I may give lessons but I can't work miracles! The fact that this idiot is smarter than half of your player base has the be the saddest part. CCP stop what you are writing and pick writing it in crayon, maybe then they can understand.
I see you've completely given up on even presenting an argument. Instead you stoop to ad hominem to make yourself feel better.
When you're ready to actually give me a valid reason for the price of Heavy Proto, feel free to share with the rest of us in this thread cuz we are oh so eager to hear what you have to say on the matter.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:45:00 -
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Yozora Mikadzuki wrote:You all should feel ashamed.
^ great contribution... |
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